RE: [rp-ml] ASTM F42

From: The Creature Company <>
Date: Tue Jan 12 2010 - 19:52:24 EET

While I understand that the matter has been settled. I think it's still good
to dialogue. The list has been quiet for some time. It's good to see us
talking again. It gets the creative juices flowing at least in my opinion.
But I understand your position and I see your point. As far as it being a
nagging problem it happens to me one for me since I am trying to address an
abstract for a conference. It is a bit enlightening to look at the issue
from the periphery though. Fran, I do not want to be ignorant but alas I am,
what is astm?




From: []
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [rp-ml] ASTM F42


I just wanted to add to Terry's comments. I attended the meetings leading to
the selection of a single phrase/caption/tag word for the industry movement
- and coming to the conclusion of AM - "additive manufacturing" was not
easy. I do think that it is a positive upgrade of the phrase Rapid
Prototyping - as the industry is moving from prototyping to manufacturing of
3D objects much more quickly as a whole. The word "additive" also describes
the majority of processes used in the industry - and is probably better than
Rapid (a more subjective term - on speed/time)


Terry has also led another effort to create a full list of terms, a
disctionary - so the industry overall can speak the same language.


If you are interested in this, I highly suggest you join ASTM and Committee
F42. The leaders in the AM industry are members (hardware, software, large
and small customers) and are helping to create a clear vision, language and
roadmap of activity that members of this list would all find valuable.


What I don't want here is another round of debates on words, terms, and
definitions. The content and exchange of ideas here is too valuable and I
prefer the exchange of real ideas, models, events, questions and issues -
everyday nagging problems that we need to deal with.


Just my thoughts,



Francis Rabuck
Bentley Systems, Incorporated * Director, Intelligent Infrastructure Lab


From: [] On Behalf
Of Terry Wohlers
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:49 AM
To: RP-ML; The Creature Company
Subject: Re: [rp-ml] milling=am?


Hi Lino,


I will do my best to answer your question.


In its broadest sense, "rapid prototyping" can be any method or technique to
quickly make a prototype. Over a period of nearly two decades, many of us
have used rapid prototyping to refer to the class of additive systems that
produce parts layer by layer. The reason is because these systems have been
used extensively for the making of models and prototype parts. In recent
years, these and newer-generation additive systems have become increasingly
useful for a broader range of applications. They include the making of
models, prototypes, patterns for castings and tooling, tooling inserts,
fixtures and assembly tools, drill guides, custom and limited edition
products, replacement parts, short-run production, and in some cases, full
production. The use of the term rapid prototyping to represent these
applications has been inaccurate and misleading.


An industry-led standards group was formed one year ago. The initial
motivation came from Society of Manufacturing Engineers' Rapid Technologies
and Additive Manufacturing (RTAM) community. This work, led by Dr. Brent
Stucker of Utah State University, resulted in the formation of ASTM
International Committee F42 on Additive Manufacturing Technologies. It has
approved "additive manufacturing" as the generic term for the technology and
industry. The international committee has defined AM as the process of
joining materials to make objects from 3D model data, usually layer upon
layer, as opposed to subtractive manufacturing methodologies. Synonyms are:
additive fabrication, additive processes, additive techniques, additive
layer manufacturing, layer manufacturing, and freeform fabrication.


I hope this helps.


Terry Wohlers
Wohlers Associates, Inc.
OakRidge Business Park
1511 River Oak Drive
Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 USA
Fax 970-225-2027



----- Original Message -----

From: The Creature Company <>


Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:01 AM

Subject: [rp-ml] milling=am?


I believe we had the discussion before but I have searched the archives and
haven't seems to locate the thread.


In the move to rename the technology we use from RP to AM how do we classify
CNC and Milling? CNC and milling are to be subtractive in nature. They
obviously do not fit into the realm of additive manufacturing however they
are a rapid technology.


That makes we wonder if the terms RP and AM are not synonymous but set up as
a hierarchy, whereas rapid prototyping includes additive and subtractive
manufacturing. Am I correct in saying that?


I have been a bit flustered since I felt the push was not to use the term RP
any more since it's "not cool". Thoughts?


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