Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other things we wish for in the new year

From: Sebastien Bailard <penguin_at_supermeta.com>
Date: Tue Jan 05 2010 - 05:01:06 EET

There's been some good discussion; I feel a little less guilty about raising a bit of a fuss.

I'm not really interested in "panty-bomber" caricatures of recent villains which seem deliberately designed to play into 5 minutes of hate, i.e. ranting about those dirty so-and-so's. Even the caricatures of heroes are a bit unwelcome in my inbox.

I am interested in occasional announcements of new Faceto3d version releases and the occasional behind the curtain explanations of how jobshops and bespoke shops are using the software to have fun and generate wealth. I'm just not keen on being marketed to in the other manner. (Now the multistation emails, _those_ I don't remember signing up for.)

I _am_ interested in how figurative sculpture, meaning fine art, caricature, erotic, dirty, and erotic and dirty, interfaces with RP. (Derail - how many folk have printed stuff that's gotten sold by galleries?)

Considering that humans are horny (and often exhibitionist) little buggers, I think we're going to see a lot of experimentation and play, sex & RP wise. I remember reading a note somewhere by a worker at goodvibes.com. (A 'tasteful' sex toy shop) The clerk had traveled to Egypt to see the pyramids and so on. When a tour guide learned that the visitor worked at a sex toy store, she pulled her aside at one point for a quick discussion about sex stuff and ended up ordering a bottle of lube, such stuff being hard to source (or not on the cultural radar) in Egypt. The clerk was bemused that she ended up 'talking shop' on a travel holiday, but went on to write that sexuality is a fundamental human right and need and all that. This seems trivial, but I can imagine the massive, ongoing, nightly frustration of living in a culture and being in such a quandary.

Where am I going with all this? Ah right. I think the other prognostications are correct, and that we're going to see a huge wave of Sex-RP coming out, increasing along with availability and cheapness. I imagine it will play out differently for private folk and exhibitionist folk in ways we may not need to sketch out in these forum, until 3D scanning gets into the home, anyway. I suspect diy-RP may dominate that market, although I haven't seen any discussion in the RepRap forum.

Anyway, better plastic dongs than plastic handguns, and all that. I suspect the major players aren't going to talk up that aspect in most of their promotional literature, any time soon.

Getting back to the derail: How many folk have printed stuff that's gotten sold by galleries?

-Sebastien

On January 4, 2010 04:40:00 pm Stewart Dickson wrote:
> > ...reflect well on the AM industry in general ???
> Ha! Fight the forces who would unseat you for a mere sex scandal.
> This only happens in the US -- nowhere else in the world. It is a
> Puritan ultra-Conservatism only that allows it to succeed.
>
> I'm going to tell you a true story, and I bring it to you first-hand
> from none other than the United States Department of Energy National
> Center for Computational Sciences and the IEEE Supercomputing Conference,
>
> And I quote: "The on-line adult entertainment industry ['on-line porn'
> - sic.] is the SINGLE LARGEST ECONOMIC FORCE driving /*investment*/ in
> new Internet infrastructure (Bandwidth) and Compute Server Technology --
> (the capacity to handle massive numbers of simultaneous on-line
> transactions)."
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6258291.stm BBC World News 13 January 2007
> Huge crowds at US porn convention
> > The scale of the Adult Entertainment Expo reflects the huge growth in
> > a business which is said to be bigger than Hollywood and worth $57bn
> > (29bn).
> >
> > Estimates of its annual contribution to the US economy range from
> > $12bn-$20bn.
> The LA Times San Fernando Edition ALWAYS reported glowingly on the Las
> Vegas Adult Entertainment Expo.
> When I lived there, the San Fernando Valley was known as the Porn
> Capital of the World. We loved it. IT WAS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY!
>
> If you don't welcome 3D on-line Pr0n (That's Geek-Porn)
> Then you're all a bunch of fucking idiots.
> And I make NO apology for my French!
>
> Marshall Burns wrote:
> >
> > Very interesting comment, Greg. Given the history of cave drawing,
> > marble sculpture, painting on canvas, the printing press, photography,
> > video tape, the Internet, and every other communication medium known
> > to man and woman, there is no question that the popular advent of
> > fabbers will come along with applications in pornography, both legal
> > and illegal. In ten or 15 years, we'll probably have prosecutors
> > across the country arresting high school kids for 3D sexting. (Don't
> > trust the timing of my predictions; they've been dreadfully off before.)
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Greg [mailto:coteart@gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2010 09:07
> > *To:* Brock Hinzmann
> > *Cc:* Marshall Burns; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi; Sebastien Bailard;
> > faceto3d@aol.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] Detroit Bomber STL File
> >
> >
> >
> > Brock,
> >
> > Please explain to me how something can effectively be "banned" on the
> > RPLM?
> >
> > This incident has me wondering how long it will be before pornography
> > (perhaps this is the equivalent?) shows up here. IMHO it would not
> > improve the RPML or reflect well on the AM industry in general if a
> > significant number of us condone it.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Greg Pettengill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Brock Hinzmann <bhinzmann@sbi-i.com
> > <mailto:bhinzmann@sbi-i.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I am guessing the 3-D "scan" of the Nigerian Bomber's head is no more
> > than a caricature, as other bobble head caricatures have been. Over
> > the years, such offers have been more or less offensive to one person
> > or another on the list, no doubt, but at least they have been on
> > topic, in terms of the ability to make a copy on the types of machines
> > the RP-ML discusses. If you want to ban this one, you need to go back
> > and ban all of the other ones.
> >
> > As for being a waste of my time, it is less so than all of the phony
> > Nigerian e-mails I get asking me to act as an agent in a
> > multi-million-dollar scheme to launder money, which e-mail has made
> > annoyingly easier to send than 30 years ago, when they arrived in the
> > regular mail. Perhaps I have just developed a thick skin that allows
> > these things to bounce off.
> >
> > Delete.
> >
> > Brock Hinzmann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg wrote:
> >
> > Marshall,
> >
> > With all due respect, I disagree with you. As it appears to me now,
> > Sebastien's "complaint" is far more appropriate than the hawking of
> > tasteless and offensive wares.
> >
> > Although Sebastien may be a little naive about how the RPML (are we
> > going to have to change the name to AMML?) functions in situations
> > like this, I feel he acted in a reasonable and responsible manner. He
> > went so far as to offer suggestions for alternative and more
> > appropriate venues.
> > Best Regards
> > Greg Pettengill
> >
> > Cote' Art & Engineering, Inc.
> >
> > website: coteart.com <http://coteart.com> <http://coteart.com>
> >
> >
> > (321)420-9037 Land Line
> > (321)269-7587 Cell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Marshall Burns <ListMail2@fabbers.com
> > <mailto:ListMail2@fabbers.com> <mailto:ListMail2@fabbers.com
> > <mailto:ListMail2@fabbers.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > This complaint is inappropriate. Other people have used this list
> > to offer
> > STL files to the members. People even occasionally put up commercial
> > notices, such as for conferences, offering machines for sale, etc.
> > All of
> > that is appropriate. I do wonder about the tastefulness of
> > offering an STL
> > file of a man facing criminal charges, but such questions of taste
> > should
> > not incur censorship here.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marshall
> >
> > www.fabbers.com <http://www.fabbers.com> <http://www.fabbers.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi <mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>
> > <mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi <mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>>
> > [mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi <mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>
> > <mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
> > <mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>>] On Behalf
> > Of Sebastien Bailard
> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 18:57
> >
> > To: faceto3d@aol.com <mailto:faceto3d@aol.com>
> > <mailto:faceto3d@aol.com <mailto:faceto3d@aol.com>>
> > Cc: rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi <mailto:rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>
> > <mailto:rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi <mailto:rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi>>
> > Subject: Re: [rp-ml] Detroit Bomber STL File
> >
> > Flagged as unsolicited commercial email.
> >
> > Moderators, could you deal with this?
> > Jack, could you get your own soapbox, or dare I suggest, _pay_ to
> > put up
> > some online ads? Blogs are cheap. This list's time is not.
> >
> > -Sebastien Bailard
> > RepRap.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 3, 2010 06:47:09 pm Jack sent the following unsolicited
> > commercial email:
> > >
> > > Faceto3d has created an STL file for the Detroit Bomber from
> > Nigeria who
> > has been in the news for the past week.
> > >
> > > If you would like a complimentary copy of the file, please
> > respond with
> >
> > you request to faceto3d@aol.com <mailto:faceto3d@aol.com>
> > <mailto:faceto3d@aol.com <mailto:faceto3d@aol.com>>.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Received on Tue Jan 05 04:45:19 2010

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