Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for in the new year

From: Adrian Bowyer <A.Bowyer_at_bath.ac.uk>
Date: Thu Jan 07 2010 - 15:13:23 EET

We've already experimented with putting ink-jet heads in a RepRap...

Best wishes

Adrian

Dr Adrian Bowyer
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensab
http://reprap.org

Michael Armbruster wrote:
> I must say I disagree completely here. Polyjet’s print with .0006”
> layers at a spectacular resolution. It looks as if Lino is involved
> with high resolution characters and toys. I don’t think a RepRap, or
> any FDM-like machine, could produce what he needs – particularly if he’s
> using these for masters to cast off of and so forth.
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> Cordially,
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> Michael Armbruster
>
> GROWit <http://www.growit3d.com/>
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> 573-880-5872
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> *From:* owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi [mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi] *On
> Behalf Of *G. Sachs
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:33 PM
> *To:* mail@creaturecompany.com; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
> *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish
> for in the new year
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> Lino, didn't you know that you can do /almost/ the same things with the
> /almost free/ RepRap, as you can with an /expensive/ Objet :-) ? Welcome
> to the "brave new world" of free everything!
>
> Now... if only I could find a way to live off all those free things!
>
> G.S.
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> *From:* Lino P. Stavole <mail@creaturecompany.com>
> *To:* Yasser Hosni <yhosni@mail.ucf.edu>; Adrian Bowyer
> <A.Bowyer@bath.ac.uk>; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi; G. Sachs <sachsg@sbcglobal.net>
> *Sent:* Wed, January 6, 2010 6:12:52 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish
> for in the new year
>
> Since we’ve decided that because of the wonderful advances in additive
> manufacturing money would be soon obsolete. I think someone should
> “GIVE” me an objet printer ;)
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> Lino P. Stavole
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> The Creature Company
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> www.creaturecompany.com <http://www.creaturecompany.com/>
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> mail@creaturecompany.com <mailto:mail@creaturecompany.com>
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> cell: 661-433-5283
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> *From:* owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi [mailto:owner-rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi] *On
> Behalf Of *Yasser Hosni
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:08 PM
> *To:* Adrian Bowyer; rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi; G. Sachs
> *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish
> for in the new year
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> I do not think we should use the word "biological" or "power" to
> described money. One may have to go back when money used to be covered
> by gold (rare material - Material is a stored entropy or energy). I
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> Yasser
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> >>> "G. Sachs" <sachsg@sbcglobal.net> 1/6/2010 4:12 PM >>>
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> Adrian,
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> This is starting to get really off the topic of RP (free or otherwise)
> ... but since you brought it up, again, I think you are trying to make a
> very 'stretchy/sketchy argument', since in many /systems of barter/, you
> don't _immediately get anything in exchange for what you give_ and so
> have to /trust those whom you're bartering with/ that they will return
> the/ favor/. So, you might as well exchange a /piece of paper/ (or DNA
> sequence) which describes what you are going to get in return, or which
> allows you to trade something you *gave to* one biological entity, for
> something you *want from* another. Paper money is just one such
> 'promissory note', and gold, today, is still /primarily/ considered
> money, even though it is much more tangible and directly useful than
> paper money. No, I think 'money' or what you describe as "a worthless
> token" is almost as good as anything tangible (except when there is a
> widespread loss of faith in it!). You are right, though, that when
> dealing with money and delayed gratification, trust becomes very
> important. All the more interesting, then, that plants and animals seem
> to have also evolved this principle of trust and delayed reward and that
> it seems to work pretty well, for the most part. No, I don't think
> 'money' is just an accidental or silly human invention - it goes back a
> LONG way.
>
> By the way, I think the RepRap project is pretty cool, but it will be at
> least 30 years before machines can really 'replicate' themselves the way
> plants and animals do. I'm still trying to decide, though, whether
> Reprap is a really useful new tool or just another very clever,
> creative, toy (but even if that, it's still well worth doing, because it
> is very instructive as far as showing how machines get designed and
> built and what they do after you are done.).
>
> G. Sachs
>
> P.S. What do you mean by 'very difficult to forge' and how does that
> enter into your argument? Frankly, I think I forgot what point you were
> originally trying to make.
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *From:* Adrian Bowyer <A.Bowyer@bath.ac.uk>
> *To:* G. Sachs <sachsg@sbcglobal.net>
> *Cc:* rp-ml@rapid.lpt.fi
> *Sent:* Wed, January 6, 2010 3:26:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish
> for in the new year
>
> G. Sachs wrote:
>
>> certainly DNA exchange, might count as one of the most fundamental and
> low-level forms of currency exchange, the currency in this case being
> 'BENEFICIAL biological information'.
>
> Then it's bartering or giving*, not money. The key aspects of money are
> that it is a _worthless_ token of trust and exchange that it is very
> difficult to forge. Swapping real valuable goods (like nectar in return
> for pollination) is the opposite of what I mean.
>
> ---
>
> *Of course kin selection means that it makes sense for organisms to give
> real non-token resources (like milk) to relatives.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Adrian
>
> Dr Adrian Bowyer
> http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensab
> http://reprap.org
>

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