Lino, didn't you know that you can do almost the same things with the almost free RepRap, as you can with an expensive Objet :-) ? Welcome to the "brave new world" of free everything!
Now... if only I could find a way to live off all those free things!
G.S.
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From: Lino P. Stavole <mail_at_creaturecompany.com>
To: Yasser Hosni <yhosni_at_mail.ucf.edu>; Adrian Bowyer <A.Bowyer_at_bath.ac.uk>; rp-ml_at_rapid.lpt.fi; G. Sachs <sachsg_at_sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 6:12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for in the new year
Since we’ve decided that because of the wonderful advances
in additive manufacturing money would be soon obsolete. I think someone should “GIVEâ€
me an objet printer ;)
Lino P. Stavole
The
Creature Company
www.creaturecompany.com
mail_at_creaturecompany.com
cell:
661-433-5283
From:owner-rp-ml_at_rapid.lpt.fi [mailto:owner-rp-ml_at_rapid.lpt.fi] On Behalf Of Yasser
Hosni
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:08 PM
To: Adrian Bowyer; rp-ml_at_rapid.lpt.fi; G. Sachs
Subject: Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for
in the new year
I do not think we should use the word "biological"
or "power" to described money. One may have to go back when
money used to be covered by gold (rare material - Material is a stored
entropy or energy). I
Yasser
>>> "G. Sachs" <sachsg_at_sbcglobal.net> 1/6/2010 4:12 PM
>>>
Adrian,
This is starting to get really off the topic of RP (free or otherwise) ... but
since you brought it up, again, I think you are trying to make a very
'stretchy/sketchy argument', since in many systems of barter, you don't immediately
get anything in exchange for what you give and so have to trust those
whom you're bartering with that they will return thefavor.
So, you might as well exchange a piece of paper (or DNA sequence) which
describes what you are going to get in return, or which allows you to trade
something you gave to one biological entity, for something you want
from another. Paper money is just one such 'promissory note', and gold,
today, is still primarily considered money, even though it is much more
tangible and directly useful than paper money. No, I think 'money' or what you
describe as "a worthless token" is almost as good as anything
tangible (except when there is a widespread loss of faith in it!). You are
right, though, that when dealing with money and delayed gratification, trust
becomes very important. All the more interesting, then, that plants and animals
seem to have also evolved this principle of trust and delayed reward and that
it seems to work pretty well, for the most part. No, I don't think 'money' is
just an accidental or silly human invention - it goes back a LONG way.
By the way, I think the RepRap project is pretty cool, but it will be at least
30 years before machines can really 'replicate' themselves the way plants and
animals do. I'm still trying to decide, though, whether Reprap is a really
useful new tool or just another very clever, creative, toy (but even if that,
it's still well worth doing, because it is very instructive as far as showing
how machines get designed and built and what they do after you are done.).
G. Sachs
P.S. What do you mean by 'very difficult to forge' and how does that enter into
your argument? Frankly, I think I forgot what point you were originally trying
to make.
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From:Adrian Bowyer
<A.Bowyer_at_bath.ac.uk>
To: G. Sachs <sachsg_at_sbcglobal.net>
Cc: rp-ml_at_rapid.lpt.fi
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:26:51 PM
Subject: Re: [rp-ml] free STL Files and other (free) things we wish for
in the new year
G. Sachs wrote:
> certainly DNA exchange, might count as one of the most fundamental and
low-level forms of currency exchange, the currency in this case being
'BENEFICIAL biological information'.
Then it's bartering or giving*, not money. The key aspects of money are
that it is a _worthless_ token of trust and exchange that it is very difficult
to forge. Swapping real valuable goods (like nectar in return for
pollination) is the opposite of what I mean.
---
*Of course kin selection means that it makes sense for organisms to give real
non-token resources (like milk) to relatives.
Best wishes
Adrian
Dr Adrian Bowyer
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensab
http://reprap.org
Received on Thu Jan 07 01:19:15 2010
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